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Page 1 BEFORE THE OHIO ELECTIONS COMMISSION
Saturday, August 8, 2009 National Whisteblowers Center 3238 P Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20007 DEPOSITION OF: SIBEL DENIZ EDMONDS called for examination by Counsel for the Defendant, pursuant to Notice of Deposition, at the National Whistleblowers Center, located at 3238 P Street, N.W., Suite 690, Washington, D.C., when were present on behalf of the respective parties: Neal R. Gross & Co., Inc. (202) 
Page 2 APPEARANCES: On Behalf of Plaintiff Jean Schmidt: BRUCE FEIN, ESQ. Of: Turkish American Legal Defense Fund Suite 1000 1025 Connecticut Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) Web: bruce@thelichfieldgroup.com On Behalf of Defendant David Krikorian: DAN MARINO, ESQ. Of: Luque, Geragos & Marino, LLP Suite 800 910 17th Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20006 Tel: (202) Web: dmarino@luquegeragos.com On Behalf of Deponent Sibel Deniz Edmonds: MICHAEL D. KOHN, ESQ. Of: Kohn, Kohn & Colapinto, LLP 3233 P Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20007 Tel: (202) Neal R. Gross & Co., Inc. (202) 
Page 3 TABLE OF CONTENTS
Sibel Deniz
Ex.
Edmonds Deposition: 1 Subpoena . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .7 Neal R. Gross & Co., Inc. (202) 
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4others present, please introduce themselves 5and state whom they represent?
11case to practice before the Ohio Elections 12Commission?
Neal R. Gross & Co., Inc. (202) 
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6I'm counsel for Jean Schmidt in this 7proceeding.
10Kohn, Kohn & Colapinto, representing the 11witness Sibel Edmonds, and with me are three 12law clerks. That's it.
17raise your right hand? 18Whereupon,
20was called as a witness by counsel for the 21Defendant and, having been first duly sworn, 22was examined and testified as follows: Neal R. Gross & Co., Inc. (202) 
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5Q And has it generally been publicly 6reported that 7attacks?
11Q How else has, to your knowledge, 12the mujahideen or 13supporting cost American lives? 14A September 11 and the other 15category I talked about was the intelligence 16and identifying assets or the front companies. 17The third category that involved narcotics 18activities and that was, at least until I 19left, these Turkish people, and some of them 20are directly connected to Turkish intelligence 21and Turkish military in the United States, 22they played a very significant role in Neal R. Gross & Co., Inc. (202) 
Page 94 1bringing in heroin from source from 2Afghanistan to Turkey, but from Turkey into 3both United States, but also directly to 4Belgium, large quantity, very, very large 5quantity of heroin. 6Q All right. So if I were to say 7that 8taking money from the Turkish government 9either directly or indirectly, would it be a 10fair statement that I'm taking money from a 11government that has engaged in policies and 12practices that cost American lives?
14Q Are you familiar with a person 15named Fetullah Gulan, 16A Yes. 17Q Can you tell us who that is? 18A My information is mainly about his 19activities and issues that were, again, done 20from late 1990s until I left, and then after 21that it will be known activities here in the 22United States. He shortly Neal R. Gross & Co., Inc. (202) 
Page 95 1religious activist figure in Turkey, and he 2landed on Turkish government's wanted list and 3was going to be persecuted for wanting to 4throw Turkish secular government 5with Islamic shariah kind of type of 6government.
8for that and he was going to go to jail, he 9actually got on the plane and came to the 10United States, and he was given immediately 11visa to stay in the United States, and he has 12been in the United States until now as far as 13I know.
15300 madrasahs in Central Asia and what he 16calls universities that have a front that is 17called Moderate Islam, but he is closely 18involved in training 19Islam who are brought from Pakistan and 20Afghanistan into Central Asia where his 21madrasahs operate, and his organization's 22network is estimated to be around $25 Neal R. Gross & Co., Inc. (202) 
Page 96 1 billion.
3universities in the United States. As I said 4it's being promoted under Moderate Islam. It 5is supported by certain U.S. authorities here 6because of the operations in Central Asia, but 7what they have been doing since late 1990s is 8actually radical Islam and militizing 9(phonetic) these very, very young, from the 10age 14, 15, by commandoes they use, and this 11is both commandoes from Turkish military, 12commandoes from Pakistani ISI in Central Asia 13and Azerbaijan, and after that they bring them 14to Turkey, and from Turkey they send them 15through Europe, to European and elsewhere.
17government, also paramilitary units in Central 18Asia, they operated under the groups that call 19themselves Gray Wolves, 20and their method was, you know, assassination 21of certain leaders in the Central Asian 22countries, and militizing, but not through Neal R. Gross & Co., Inc. (202) 
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3place in Turkey, Susurluk scandal, they were 4no longer supported by certain segments in the 5United States, and instead some of our people 6involved in foreign policy, they supported the 7Islamic movements of Gulan in the Central 8Asian countries in order to counter Russia as 9far as the energy sources are concerned in 10those countries. 11Q How is it, if you know, or how is 12it that Gulan is allowed to be in the United 13States?
16Q I'm sorry. Is that an individual 17based on what you've told me that you would be 18 19interests? 20A One hundred percent, absolutely. 21Q And if you know, how is it that 22he's allowed to be in the United States? Neal R. Gross & Co., Inc. (202) 
Page 98 1A Because part of what he has in 2terms of the deal with certain segments in the 3United States is furthering the interests of 4the people who are interested in the energy 5sources in Central Asia, and that is the 6whether it's oil or whether it's natural gas, 7and basically it's a fight.
9Cold War is not over. It's a continuation of 10Cold War over those nations, and what we did 11in Afghanistan in early 1980s with mujahideen, 12we have been joined now in Central Asia by 13using Islam and extremism and these madrasahs, 14and Pakistani and Afghani elements to build 15(unintelligible) and staff in terms of those 16resources towards certain business interests. 17Q Did you say that Gulan had set up 18schools in the United States as well?
20Q Are some of those in Cincinnati, 21if you know? 22A I'm not sure. I know of some in Neal R. Gross & Co., Inc. (202) 
Page 99 1Texas. I know one in Virginia, but I don't 2know. They are multiplying, and they're 3spreading rapidly. There's Islamic madrasahs 4or universities everywhere. So I haven't kept 5track of the locations. I don't know. 6Q I assume that - 7ask you, and I'm not trying to put you on the 8spot. If you can't answer, just tell me.
10who the Congresswoman is that we've been 11talking about? 12A I would have, and it wouldn't be 13because of classification I don't believe. I 14 15not bend under the pressure in case. I just 16don't want somebody, innocent person's 17reputation destroyed because I don't know if 18this person complied with whatever she 19happened to be blackmailed later. I think 20I 21Q All right. That's fair enough. I 22take it then from what you've told me that the Neal R. Gross & Co., Inc. (202) 
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